Boreal Springs

February 20, 2010

Anniversary – Love is a Battlefield

Filed under: Anniversary — Mao @ 10:39 pm

I know a lot of people did “top couples” for Valentine’s Day… but I wanted to do something different.   There’s plenty of couples that could be considered “hot” or “good” together, but that’s not always the fun or interesting part.  What about those couples that didn’t fall hopelessly in love from day one or struggled to find some common ground ?  What about the ones who fought, tooth and nail, to find a way to bridge the gap and come together?  I’m more about the conflict than the resolution, so that’s why I figured it’d be fun to rehash some difficult couplings and how they eventually turned out.

Note that not all couples are still together and I’m going way back, to the beginning, so everyone is included in this, not just recent happenings.  They are also in no particular order, but likely from oldest to latest given the nature of how I went to gather the couples.  ;)

Just a warning–this is a long one!

Derek Saunders & Mary O`Hanlon

My first difficult couple.  Derek was originally with Katy, who he’d been dating since they were teens.  Mary, who was younger than Derek and friends with his younger sisters, always had a bit of a crush.  When they all arrived at college, things got complicated.  Mary, always sweet and unassuming, had never wanted to cause trouble and tried to fix the situation.  Katy and Derek graduated and moved in together, but what happened in college never seemed to leave his mind.

Derek continued to seek Mary out until she finally met with him.  They had one final moment as a ‘goodbye’ and then Derek returned home, begrudingly, to his family.  He had originally intended to try and break things off with Katy, but she told him she was pregnant, with twins.  They were married not long after.

Mary, meanwhile, was pregnant and kept quiet about her child.  Sara was undeniably Derek’s, with every Saunder feature one could possibly have except her mother’s eyes.  Everything went on as normal until, one day, Derek called for his sister, Gina, and Sara picked up.  Mary finally relented and brought Sara to Derek’s house so she could meet her other grandparents and father, she made sure do it while Katy was at work.  Katy came home and caught Derek embracing Mary, chased her out, and told Derek she was pregnant again.  Unfortunately for Katy, her attempted shackling of Derek would be her undoing...

Derek had wanted to marry Mary as soon as he possibly could, but she refused.  Katy’s death was still fresh in her mind and some part of her probably questioned the convenience of it all.  Finally, she wore down and they were married.  They went on to have twin girls and some difficulties once Derek’s involvement with Katy’s death came into question.  Nevertheless, they were happily married and very much in love throughout their lives together.

Ryu Yu & Alyssa Anderson

Ryu Yu was the bastard son of Jun Yu and Henry Saunders.  He watched his mother leave in a taxi and wouldn’t see her again until adulthood.  Alyssa was the heir to the Anderson fortune and Thomas’ perfect, pretty puppet.  It began young, but didn’t culminate until they were teens and ready for college.  While Ryu was definitely in love with Alyssa, despite her mean and caustic ways, Alyssa seemed to be content just using him.  It never led to anything romantic, though… until Alyssa realized they were going to graduate and separate.  She came up with the idea that they should get married and was quite happy to tell her father, who she secretly liked disobeying.  Ryu was, of course, hesitant.  He didn’t want to just be a ploy, he wanted an actual relationship.

The ice queen Alyssa seemed to melt a bit and they were married.  Things were going well, they settled into a routinue and eventually, Alyssa gave birth to Katarina.  Of course, it was after this that the problems began.  Ryu got his promotion and began feverently working on the Katy Saunders case.  Alyssa, who had finally relented to her feelings for Ryu, was left unattended and felt unwanted.  This changed, for a small amount of time, when Alyssa realized she was pregnant.  Ryu backed off on his casework and spent more time with his family.  Alyssa gave birth to Nevio and Roman and things were good… for awhile.  Then Ryu went back to work with Tracey and Shang Yu started sniffing around

Alyssa ignored his advances until she started getting the idea that maybe Ryu was cheating with Tracey.  Shang caught her at a vulnerable time and they engaged in a brief affair.  Things were tense for awhile and only got worse with Thomas’ death.  Ryu and Alyssa fought constantly, her guilt at what she’d done eating away and Ryu’s inability to separate work and home making him irritable.  In the end, they called it quits and Alyssa was left alone while Ryu ‘rescued’ Tracey from her lonely fate.  Alyssa never remarried, though she had a notable fling with Patrick O`Hanlon.  Had she been younger, something definitely could have developed there.  Ryu went on to marry and Tracey had twins, Shelly and Marcus.

Ryu and Alyssa had always been rocky, but I truly thought they’d last.  I didn’t want them to divorce, but it was their wants that drove me to it.  Alyssa had no wants for Ryu, only Shang and Ryu and Tracey had coninciding wants.  This one still makes me sad.  I wanted them to work!

Tsung Yu & Lilith Anderson

Tsung Yu and Lilith Anderson weren’t immediately in love, in fact, in the beginning… they were rivals.  Even as children, they were constantly arguing over who was smarter.  This, of course, continued on into their teenage years.  They were in the same circle, but always seemed to be battling one another.  Lilith was too caught up with her boyfriend, Chuck Saunders’ death, to notice that Tsung’s teasing had lessened into good-natured curiosity.  It wasn’t until university came around that Tsung actually admitted to himself that he might actually like Lilith.  He tried subtle hints, but those had failed, so he did the last thing he ever thought he’d do… he acted.

Graduation left Lilith terribly confused and Tsung somewhat comforted by his plan of action.  It took some time before she confronted him, which led to a bit more than either had anticipated… things only got worse when Tsung told her he loved her.  Lilith continued to brush him off and stayed within the comfort of her childhood home.  Eventually, she relented and after some serious bickering, they were married.  They didn’t have much choice to adjust, as Lilith found out pretty quickly that she was pregnant.  The weight of being a wife and a new mother wore her down quite a bit, not to mention all of the paranormal stuff, but she managed.

She found that motherhood wasn’t so bad and that maybe, she had always liked Tsung a little bit, too.  The two maintained their completely different personalities, but found a way to work it out and eventually had two sons, Zhou and Fou-Lu.  These two are one of my favorite couples.  It was always a rocky road, but they made it work and Lilith loved Tsung a bit more than she’d like to admit, if her wants were anything to go by.  ;)   When Lilith died, Tsung painted a picture of her.  It hangs next to one of his mother, Eileen O`Hanlon in the hallway.

Nathaniel Anderson & Sara O`Hanlon

Sara O`Hanlon was Lilith Anderson’s best friend, who just happened to be Nathaniel’s twin sister.  It’s no wonder Sara had plenty of time to develop a crush on the sports-oriented traditional boy.  It was an unlikely match, Sara was a tomboy and Nathaniel only seemed to notice girly girls.  Not to mention the fact they were constantly around one another and he probably saw her as a sister.  It certainly didn’t help matters when Nathaniel went to university before her and had no issues getting attention from the ladies.  Sara, left behind, was not feeling confident about her chances.

Against Lilith’s advice, Sara arrived at university looking very different and Nathaniel definitely noticed.  While Sara definitely made a beautiful, normal girl, it just wasn’t her and she changed back before he graduated.  The results were mixed.  They parted ways.

Nathaniel’s career in sports came to an abrupt halt when he was injured and he found himself re-evaluating his life.  He cared for Sara, but it was hard for him to realize until then.  Lilith did her best to get them back together, unable to tolerate Sara’s whining any longer.  They continued to date while Sara was at university.  When she graduated, she hesitantly moved in with Nathaniel.  They were happily unmarried, even when Sara became pregnant, there was no talk of it.  Of course, Sara’s mother, Mary, had plenty to say about it.

It took the impending birth of their third child to push them into finally tying the knot and making things official.  If you were to ask them why it took them so long, they’d simply say that it just wasn’t that important to them–they were happy as they were.  Despite the difficult and rocky beginning of their relationship and Sara’s trust issues (did he want her because his career went kaput?), the two had a long and fulfilling life together.  Not to mention some great looking kids!

Shang Yu & Katarina Anderson

A more unconventional couple you’d be hard-pressed to find.  These two were pure fire together and they knew it, which is why they really didn’t bother with the silly things like “monogamy” or “matrimony.”  Katarina was young when she met Shang and smitten when she did.  She even fell into bed with him not long after, despite their obvious age gap.  Of course, she had no idea he’d also slept with her mother.  Shang got around and eventually, Katarina did, too.  She even went so far as to sleep with her best friend, Marla O`Hanlon’s husband, Travis Knight.  Shang, meanwhile, had knocked Kate Anderson up during university and was forced into marrying her.  They had a son, Hugh.

Despite his marriage to Kate, Shang and Katarina continued to see one another.  All of this fooling around led to an accident… Katarina found out she was pregnant.  At the same time, Marla found out about Katarina messing with her husband, Travis, and kicked her out.  She returned home.  Shang eventually caught up to her and expressed his joy at her conditionKate and Shang divorced and he moved down to Aperture with Katarina with their son, James.

While they were in a relationship, neither had any qualms about stepping outside of it.  They had plenty of flings and weren’t really ones to get jealous of one another.  At the end of the day, they always knew who they’d come back to and while it may not have been the best environment for their son, it worked for them.  They continued their escapades well into elder years until finally, Shang said goodbye and Katarina left the house and moved in with their son, James.

Surprisingly, these two made a great couple.  It’s weird how that works, isn’t it?  They had plenty of flings, but they were three bolts and always the others’ number one pick!

Fou-Lu Yu & Elena Davis

The good, determined to achieve girl and the slacker boy who just wants to hang out… quite the common coupling, unfortunately.  Elena Davis and Fou-Lu Yu were an accident.  They met, they had chemistry, they had fun… but when did it turn serious?  It’s hard to say, actually.  Fou-Lu was subservient to Elena from the start.  She was the high-achiever, the one who would go places and he was just there for the ride.  He wasn’t the best choice for Elena and the fact that their fathers were best friends certainly didn’t helped matters.  Fou-Lu found himself in trouble quite a lot, which didn’t elevate him much in Gordon’s eyes.  It wasn’t until both he and Elena got caught that Elena began to think that maybe their relationship wasn’t meant to be.

This worry carried over into university, where Elena finally broke it off.  She loved Fou-Lu, but he had no ambition, no drive and he was dragging her down with him.  Fou-Lu was crushed and tried his best to win her back.  They had a brief fling before graduation, but it only led to Elena avoiding him even more.  The real reason Elena was avoiding him was because she was pregnant.  She didn’t trust him to be a father, so she planned to raise Elena on her own.  Michael eventually convinced Elena to give Fou-Lu a chance and he was able to not only learn about his daughter, but meet her.  Elena still wasn’t convinced, however, and was determined to do it on her own.

It took some serious time and talking, but eventually, Elena and Fou-Lu stopped just sleeping together and became a couple again.  They moved to townhouse in Aperture with their daughter, Emma.  Things weren’t always easy between them, especially when Elena fell pregnant again in the middle of her big career opportunity.  Fou-Lu continued to just drift in his job, which he acquired thanks to his brother’s connections.  They never had any intention of marrying.  Elena loved Fou-Lu, but she knew he’d never be the perfect one for her.  Love isn’t always what we think it ought to be.

They’re still together and now they’re elders.  These two have been on and off, hot and cold, together and apart more than any couple I’ve ever had before!  Still, they seem to be working and I don’t see them parting anytime soon.  They now have another daughter, Emily.  Fou-Lu spun up a marriage want once, but Elena never has for Fou-Lu.

James Anderson & Kit Knight

James Anderson was intelligent, well-rounded, and had a good sense of what he wanted out of life.  Unfortunately, he set his sights on Kit Knight fairly early on.  Kit was equally as intelligent, if not a bit more, and had plenty of looks.  She, however, didn’t see James the way he saw her (he was younger, to boot) and fell into bed with Claude Saunders during university.  Despite knowing this, James persevered and tried to get her to see Claude for what he really was.

Despite building a relationship with James during her years at university, Kit went wild once she left.  James, knew of course, how could he not?  His determination refused to let go, though.  He’d wait it out and seize her up once he graduated.  They moved in together once he left university, but she continued to see Claude until he broke it off.  This prompted her to agree to marry James, despite still being in love with Claude.

They were married rather quickly once they realized Kit was pregnant.  Poor James had no idea that Kit really didn’t know who the father was!  When the babies were born, it was obvious they were not James’.  Katarina made this known and James kicked Kit out, filing for divorce.  Kit, defeated and without anywhere else to go, returned home.

This couple was a mess from day one.  Is it sad that I never really wanted them to succeed?  I guess it was Kit’s love of Claude.  She always, always had wants for him and still does.  I felt bad for James, but he really cared about her and wanted her despite the stupid things she’d done.  It’s karma, I think.  Kit has definitely learned her lesson… not all love works out!

Michael Saunders & Sade O`Hanlon

For Sade, it was ‘love at first sight’ but for Michael, it was only red flags about their distant relation.  To this day, I’m not sure what attracted Sade to Michael, her polar opposite in every way but looks.  I knew when they met that I was in for trouble.  There was the age gap, however.  Michael was several years older than Sade and already through university when she arrived.  This did little to discourage Sade, however, and she tried several very unsubtle tactics to gain his affections.

It wasn’t until Sade was kicked out of university and pleaded to move in that she got her chance.  She was being too pushy, too obvious.  Michael was reserved and his conscience was telling him not to fall under her sway.  Their relationship seemed to happen fast, even though it took over a year or so for him to propose.  Michael was methodical and his affections for Sade did not cloud his judgment, she was flaky and impetuous.  He wasn’t about to sign any deals with her that he wasn’t sure of.

Despite their drastic differences, the two have gone on to have a very successful life together.  Sade wasn’t sure if she was up for motherhood, but found herself sliding into the role fairly easily.  And despite the random encounters with Michael’s strange father, the two have managed to make things work and live a normal life.

It’s kind of surprising to think that now, these two might not have happened.  In fact, if Sade hadn’t pressed the issue so much, it wouldn’t have.  Their relation to one another is quite distant and halved, but their age gap was also a big worry.  They proved me wrong, though, and are one of happier, more stable couples for all the fuss it took to get them together.  Such an odd coupling, but I love them!

Gregory Anderson & Lydia Anderson

Gregory Anderson knew he loved Lydia from day one, even if she didn’t realize it at the time.  They had always been the best of friends, but were from very different worlds.  Gregory was persistent, however, and refused to back down.  It was unfortunate that Lydia still wasn’t convinced.  There was also the issue of her competition, Emma Davis, who was from the same rich people group as Gregory and had quite an interest in him.  Gregory had no interest, however, he wanted Lydia and persisted this right into university.

Lydia finally seemed to be melting under his resolve.  They had been best friends, what harm would the transition into more cause?  She worried they would shatter their friendship and part ways, but Gregory’s confidence helped her along and they became engaged.  It’s unfortunate that Emma had plans of her own.  Lydia fled after graduation and returned home, lost in her sadness and confusion at what had taken place.  Gregory was unable to resolve the situation from a distance, but he couldn’t seem to get close enough to her to explain it.  It wasn’t until he got a bit of a ‘pep talk’ from his father’s enemy, Gordon Saunders, that he got Lydia back for good.

Still a bit frightened and uncertain, Lydia forgave Gregory.  Their marriage plans continued and the two finally made things official in a very big and lavish ceremony.  So far, things seem to be working, especially with Emma officially out of the picture!

Don’t let their identical last names fool you, they’re less related than Michael and Sade.  As far as sickeningly sweet couples go, these two are it.  Their entire relationship reads like a romantic comedy or novel.  It was almost painful at times!  You all know I’m not that kind of gal.  Anyway, I’m disclosing this here, because it’s the anniversary and all… Lydia is pregnant.  She’s my fourth gen who is expecting!

Whew, that was long!  There’s a few that didn’t make the cut, but I wanted couples with actual meat to them.  Lydia and Gregory just barely made it, having had enough history behind them to document!  I would have liked to see how things progressed for them, but seeing how infatuated they are now, I don’t see any speed bumps along the way.

Those Who Missed Out Were…

  • Francis O`Hanlon & Rosa Anderson - I wanted to include these two, but as of yet, they are still “on and off” so it’s hard to say what the future holds for them, really.
  • Francis O`Hanlon & Emma - These two may not have the same history, but when it comes to natural chemistry and just plain clicking?  They do.  I haven’t heard a click this loud in forever.  I’m interested to see if Emma will get out of her downward spiral and if Francis can stick to one girl.
  • Cole Anderson & Shelly Yu – Ahh, the pain, the agony!  I thought about it and then decided this was for a list of people in love, not in hate.  I’m so curious to see where these two end up.
  • Kit Knight & Claude Saunders  -  James may have been in love with her, but Claude got ten times more from her than he ever did.  And I don’t mean that entirely in a dirty way!  She still has it in for him, hard.  They were a train wreck.  It was painful and amusing.  I think Countess Emily would eat Kit if she dared go near Claude now.
  • Patrick O`Hanlon & Viola Kalson – These two were tempting, given the messed up nature of their relationship!  But again, I’m not entirely certain there’s the right kind of love in this one to be included.  I should have done “totally messed up and dysfunctional couples”… but that’s kind of BS in a nutshell, isn’t it?  Ha!
  • Henry Saunders & Janine Anderson – How messed up can it be to know your love is a criminal mastermind?  If only Henry knew what she was still doing with Thomas!  These two were dysfunctional but in love, however didn’t make the cut because it just didn’t seem to fit.  It would have been all over the place!

Hope you all enjoyed!  Sorry this was so long, but my intent was to give background and recap of the overall relationship.  Do you guys have any favorite couples, past or present?


  1. Wow, I’m loving all the recaps, very interesting to see a couple’s history in a few short paragraphs.

    Comment by starrsim — February 21, 2010 @ 6:21 pm

  2. My favorite couple ever was Tsung and Lilith. They were so opposite, but fit so well together, though Michael and Sade are a close second. I wanted Ryu and Alyssa to work too! I was so sad after they divorced. Uh, the heading for Gregory and Lydia says Roman and Lydia. You scared the crap out of me, and I was beginning to think this was the update you found after taking pics of the houses. Funny, I thought once you got to Greg and Lydi, I thought of Zhou and River.

    Comment by Fini — February 21, 2010 @ 8:27 pm

  3. What a great way to change things up. I really enjoyed reading this. I remember a lot of those couples. It was fun refreshing my memory.

    My favorite couple out of the ones list would have to be Derek Saunders & Mary O`Hanlon.

    Comment by Monique — February 21, 2010 @ 8:29 pm

  4. Thanks, I’m glad they’re providing insight! And that they’re working for this whole anniversary thing. ;)

    Comment by Mao — February 21, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

  5. Thanks for the heads up, Fini! I’ve been high on cold meds, so I’m surprised there aren’t worse types afoot, LOL!

    Zhou and River didn’t have enough strife to make it, though I could have included them… although they would have been before Michael and Sade.

    Comment by Mao — February 21, 2010 @ 9:04 pm

  6. Thanks, Monique!

    Any couple in general, with BS, not just limited to the list. I just picked the ones that seemed to have a rough start, middle, or ending. ;)

    Comment by Mao — February 21, 2010 @ 9:04 pm

  7. Ryu and Alyssa make me sad too. A shame they couldn’t make it work. Alyssa was such a firecracker but Ryu held his own against her, once they were older.

    I loved Tsung and Lilith too. A couple that starts out as rivals is always a lot of fun and they ended up being such a good match.

    Comment by Carla — February 22, 2010 @ 12:47 am

  8. What a great recap! I think the most ‘normal’ of these couples are Tsung Yu and Lilith Anderson – with normal meaning their relationship progressed with minimal drama. Ryu Yu and Alyssa Anderson seemed doomed from the start, seeing as she basically made him marry her without really caring about him. Funny how Shang Yu and Katarina seemed to be the happiest from beginning to end!

    Comment by Janelle — February 22, 2010 @ 11:35 am

  9. DARN YOU, WOMAN. Now I have that song in my head! “We are strong! No one can tell us we’re wrooong!” Gosh darnit.

    These couples make me feel glad that I’m a single hermit. Sure, it may get lonely…but at least I don’t have to deal with the drama they do :3

    And, naturally, Lilith and Tsung are my favorites :3 MY OTP.

    And Shang and unconventional xD but it so worked for them both.

    Comment by Elecy — February 22, 2010 @ 11:53 am

  10. I liked them as a couple, they had an interesting dynamic… but as with any couple like that, it’s rather volatile, LOL! Tsung and Lilith were fun, too. I was so sad when they passed on. :(

    Comment by Mao — February 22, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

  11. Haha, yeah, the only drama with Lilith and Tsung was Lilith being hung up on trying to resurrect Chuck. She got over it, though. As for Alyssa and Ryu, thanks to Thomas, Alyssa wasn’t so great with feelings, but she did care about Ryu. She just had a funny way of showing it in the beginning. ;)

    Shang and Kat still crack me up!

    Comment by Mao — February 22, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

  12. Muahaha, revenge for all those times I read entries of yours and get songs stuck in MY head! :D

    This is true, though I’m certain my couples’ drama are a bit far-fetched in some cases, haha. I thought they were your favorite! But then again, anything with “Yu” on it gets the Elecy Stamp of Approval!

    Comment by Mao — February 22, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

  13. This was a great idea IMO, definitely my favorite one of the anniversary specials you’ve done so far. The crazy ships were the thing that drew me to Boreal Springs in the first place, so it was nice to see this well rounded a review of the more memorable ones :D
    My vote would definitely go to Tsung and Lilith, too. The event of their relationship was probably the first instance that had me actually rooting for a couple on a silly sims blog. I liked them as individuals – Lilith was so much fun, all feisty and reclusive and borderline crazy, and Tsung so adorable in all his stoic, nerdy goodness – and I downright loved them together, both because I found their differences and bickering entertaining, and because, when I stopped to think about it, I genuinely found the concept of their relationship interesting and would have loved to see how something like that would work out in real life. Shang and Katarina were fun, for example, but neither their personalities nor their thing with each other seemed like something that could in a million years happen to actual people. Tsung and Lilith on the other hand, while quite a bit illogical and simmy in their own right, actually had me thinking.
    I just can’t seem to sympathize that much with any of the more recent couples, mostly because I’m unnerved by the fact that they’re all related – even as aware as I am of the practical inevitability of their inbreeding, I can’t help but get nasty mental images at the thought of two second cousins getting it on. My favorite one of these would probably be Michael and Sade, because they were the only ones who really addressed the issue and expressed some discomfort over it.
    Anyway, unnecessarily long comment is unnecessarily long :P

    Comment by Monika — February 22, 2010 @ 3:23 pm

  14. I think Tsung and Lilith have always been one of my favorite couples in BS. I like the picture of little Tsung and Lilith. :) I’m still sad that they’ve passed on!

    I’m also a big fan of Sade and Michael. I have a soft spot for couples that are so different but somehow just work. :)

    Comment by Shana — February 22, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

  15. Haha, I was going to address the relation thing, but I’ve been a bit too sick to get all the facts together. I will tell you that the majority? Their relations are hardly visible at all. A LOT of the “related” issues, are halved relations several generations back. Halved meaning, they are only partially related to begin with and that gets diluted down the line. Gregory and Lydia, for instance? Are not related, not second cousins, not third cousins. And yet they have the same last name.

    An unfortunate fact is in a LOT of places, marrying your first cousin is preferred… which is totally creepy to me. But even in the States, we did it until about the late 1800s or so, unconsciously or consciously. Creepy man! Now, I’m not just talking direct cousin or second cousin, mind you, but the diluted relations that will not result in ‘inbreeding’. Inbreeding takes several generations of direct copies (usually parent/child/sibling, ie, immediate family) of the same patterns over and over again before it reveals a defect. You HAVE to have a direct bloodline connection to have the possibility of inbreeding, since it’s the lack of diversity in the DNA and other parts that causes defects, thus diluted lines do not equal inbreeding. ;)

    Thanks to Janine, Henry, Thomas, and Jun a lot of my core family lines are fucked. They went and screwed one another and had babies and messed everything up. I’m not a big fan of townies, so I check relations and make sure it’s not creepy. At this point in the game, four generations in… everyone is related somehow. You can make a circle with all the sims! So, I’ve just stopped bothering with it unless it’s creepy, like second, first cousins or something weird and comparable. I’ve also like, only met a few of my own second cousins and wouldn’t know them from Adam otherwise. Which is weird, I know, but second cousins are not usually immediate family, especially when your family is huuuuge! Not that I’d ever marry one, mind you, LOL!

    Anyway, just wanted to offer an explanation in case you were meaning incestuously inbred, which NONE of my sims are, period. ;) I had meant to include it with this, but again, cold meds = lack of memory, apparently! I’m not one for realism at all (especially in a game that I treat like Barbies!), I just like to play… Sade and Michael aren’t even second cousins, actually… I was wrong, LOL! So, they were allowed. Not that I had much of a choice, LOL! If you’re curious about their actual relation, you can see it here. Not entirely sure what this would be called, but it’s not directly related, that’s for sure. It’s important to remember that Gordon and Florence are only half-siblings, given their different fathers.

    I’m a huge genealogical nerd, so I leave you with this wiki entry on inbreeding. Sorry this is so long! But… again… nerd. LOL! I should also note that my family tree prefers Lydia and Gregory’s marriage over any possible “family tie”, which means their relation is pretty much null. Lydia doesn’t even recognize Alyssa as a relative outside of marriage. O_o

    ETA — Husband wants me to put that “inbreeding” (in Science) is a general term for any sort of family line (genetic) crossing and that essentially, everyone on Earth, in some way, shape or form, as far as Science is concerned, are “inbred”. He also wants me to add that inbreeding does not equal incest and that none of my families are directly incestuous or creepy related and dating. But still inbred. (Sigh. :b Scientists are a pain.)

    Comment by Mao — February 22, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

  16. Haha, I had to include of a picture of them as kids. That’s when it all began! Sade and Michael are, undoubtedly, my favorite couple. ;)

    Comment by Mao — February 22, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

  17. Lol, it’s ok, I enjoyed it, it was insightful. Besides, for me, listening to people’s thoughts on things they’re truly enthusiastic about, especially if those things are actually relevant, is one of the loveliest things ever :)
    As a nerd myself – a genetics nerd, and future doctor – I’m well aware that the appropriateness of the term ‘inbreeding’ in the context I used it in is debatable at best and I apologize. I guess I wasn’t feeling confident enough about my English to try and express it more accurately :P I know the biological and anthropological implications of the situation at hand aren’t that severe, I’m bothered by it on a more personal level, stemming from a familial situation completely opposite from the one you described. In Croatia, where I live, extended families are very close – my second and even third cousins are basically like brothers to me – so I can’t help but find the thought of someone having sex with theirs… icky, for lack of a better term :D
    Your husband has a really good point there :D Scientists are awesome.
    Oh, and btw, I couldn’t help but notice how you keep mentioning the birth of Gregory and Lydia’s child marking the beginning of generation 5… but haven’t Isolde and Adora, both 4th generation sims, already had children?

    Comment by Monika — February 22, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

  18. No worries, Monika! I just didn’t want everyone else thinking I was all down with incest and interbreeding and whatever else, LOL! And that is so crazy! I guess I should say that some folks are close with distant relatives (for us, anyone past 1st cousin is usually “distant relative”, not sure how this works on a biological level, husband is the DNA and science person), but my grandma had 12 siblings and they all had lots of kids, who in turn had lots of kids! And they all moved and yeah. I could probably throw a rock in Pennsylvania and hit a relative! I remember attending college and meeting a 2nd/3rd cousin. We had no idea we were related until I recognized his surname as my grandma’s maiden name. We’d never met before, despite both living in a small town. He was also several years older than me!

    Adora is technically generation 3, because Florence was a CAS sim and therefore, gen 1 as far as the challenge is concerned. I’m not using the rules, but I do classify that when it comes to the birth of a new gen! :D So that’s why. I had to work that one out for myself when I was trying to figure it out, LOL! Same issue with Isolde. Lydia isn’t technically a gen 4 in this criteria, but Gregory IS… thus their child = gen 4 because damn it, I said so and my family tree can bite me. ;)

    To try and un-ickify it, just remember most relations are partial, half-blood siblings that never even really hung out bind them. I mean, when have you seen Ryu and Gordon act like half-brothers? Never, LOL! So, several generations down the line, the children of their children aren’t likely to be all, “yo, what’s up, cuz!” :)

    Comment by Mao — February 22, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

  19. Wow, that’s a lot of history and digging and linking! And I remember you tweeting that this one took forever, so thank you!

    My favorite of these, like everyone it seems, is Tsung and Lilith :) Elena and Fou-Lu had a good story too, and I’d always been hoping for them to get it together. And I’m really glad Lydia finally pulled her head out of her butt and hooked up with Gregory – those two are the sweetest, and I would have hated to see her pass that up.

    Oooh, hella cool science lesson at 8 a.m., lol! :) I like Sade and Michael too, even if they’re sorta-kinda related. I think they’re a halved version of Summer and Patrick in my hood (her dad’s cousin), and man, they fart all kinds of hearts over each other. Isn’t that called first cousins once removed? Or something?

    I still have a soft spot for Kit, I think. Not with anyone in particular, since she’s blown them all, lol! But I still want to see her happy.

    And yes, I would have LOVED to see the “totally messed up and dysfunctional couples” list :) I was hoping to see Viola and Patrick on here, (I mean, when you think “battlefield” lol!)… But you’re right, even if they have the drama, they might not hold up to these other couples in the love department.

    Comment by laura — February 23, 2010 @ 8:15 am

  20. You already have my two favorites: Tsung Yu and Lilith, and Michael and Sade. I don’t know why, but for some reason, the odd pairing of Michael and Sade just pleases me. I’m glad they worked out and got Fabulous Tans in the process. :)

    Comment by Shannon — February 23, 2010 @ 4:07 pm

  21. LOL, hey, at least it’s a learning experience! You can now say you learned something from a sims 2 blog that pertains to RL? Haha, but yeah. Michael and Sade’s core relation is only half-blood, so it kind of gets seriously diluted in my mind. If they were straight up related, I’d be a bit disturbed myself. ;)

    Haha, Kit has been an interesting sim, I will definitely say that. And I’m not surprised at all about Lilith and Tsung, I should be, but I remember back when it was going on that it seemed to be the favorite. I really liked them together–they were quirky.

    I could have totally done “totally messed up and dysfunctional couples”, but that’s pretty much just a regular update anymore, haha! Maybe that’ll count when we get back to Cole and Shelly…

    Thanks! It probably would have taken less time if I hadn’t been on cold meds, lol.

    Comment by Mao — February 23, 2010 @ 6:55 pm

  22. They make me happy, too. And the Fabulous Tan! Of course, we mustn’t forget that. :D

    Comment by Mao — February 23, 2010 @ 6:55 pm

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